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the first time I came to this conference

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was 1989 so it would have been the

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second conference out of the 29 years

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that it's been going on and I basically

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just came as a you know an interested

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person uh I've been in in to UFO

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research ever since I was a teenager

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um field investigative work and things

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like that so I basically came down here

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just to to attend the conference and

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that it kind of launched

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I guess a speaking career shortly after

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Lou started uh looking for you know one

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of the things that he always liked to do

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was to find new researchers to present

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their work that I've never presented it

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anywhere before so I got the opportunity

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to speak on some of the research I was

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doing and

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um

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uh became I guess a popular speaker so I

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I uh I spoke at the conference for a

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number of years and actually I think

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I've given presentations at maybe about

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15 of them uh and uh and then whenever I

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didn't have anything to speak about Lou

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would call me up and go would you uh

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would you please come down and at least

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run the the speakers panel for me

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because he didn't like basically being

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mean to people or you know trying to uh

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because like a speaker panel you got to

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kind of shut people up sometimes you

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know and keep it rolling and so then I

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kind of that kind of evolved into an MC

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role uh where he really didn't like

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getting up to the to the podium and so

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slowly over time I started kind of doing

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that that role for him and then whenever

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he you know had to retire from the the

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conference or whatever I was uh you know

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honored to be you know asked to continue

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that that tradition so that's kind of

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how I became a an emcee and uh so I I

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actually like that role quite a bit also

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you know being a being a researcher and

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a presenter is uh is fantastic but uh

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being able to still be part of it and

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and to talk about my colleagues that I

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have stories to tell and and and it you

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know I don't know it just it just makes

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it a fantastic experience uh one of the

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opportunities is whenever whenever you

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come to conferences like this and even

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more so if you're involved as a speaker

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or staff or presenter is you get to meet

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uh all of the researchers from all over

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the world

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and so the to meet these people and

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become colleagues and then be able to

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um honor them with you know

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introductions at the at the conference

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there's been some fantastic speakers and

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um we used to have a lot of

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international speakers uh there were

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there were always uh like and um

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okay now I'm trying to remember his name

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um I should have I should have thought

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of more names before we started but like

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uh Timothy good from from England you

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know very well-known researcher that's

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done a lot of fantastic uh

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investigations into the to the

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government and and uh in Britain and in

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um Linda moldenhau of course is I think

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she's been at every one of them except

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for maybe one but maybe not I think she

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might have been to everyone so like you

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know being uh you know part of her

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conferences like this is

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and the way I put this is that a lot of

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times the the real UFO research is

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actually happening outside of the

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lecture hall in the hotel rooms

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and because what happens is it's a

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chance for the researchers to get

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together where you may not you know see

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your fellow researchers very much unless

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you're at a conference together because

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we live all over the place

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and so what happens is people tend to

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gravitate together into hotel rooms and

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they start sharing the data that they're

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not really talking about publicly yet

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you know it's like the kind of the

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coolest cases that you're working on and

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you start comparing notes and finding

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correlations and similarities

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and some of the things that we wouldn't

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dare talk about publicly 15 years ago is

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now mainstream conversation but we would

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whisper about it in the rooms and if you

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are fortunate enough to to follow along

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or be invited you know to to these

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meetings it was a special experience one

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of those that I remember was a man named

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Lloyd pie he's now deceased he's the the

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star child guy and he

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um before he was a speaker or anything

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to be walking back to the hotel room

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after my presentation and Lloyd was

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Towing about six people with him in the

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parking lot and he goes hey Forrest Dale

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follow me I got something cool to show

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like you never know what you're going to

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learn or who you know what you're going

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to see or experience at a conference

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like this but it's always something

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interesting like that one of the

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experiences I had was with uh Nancy

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Talbot was here presenting on this new

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uh case that she was working on overseas

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and it was this very special individual

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that had lots of strange phenomenon

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happening around him that were also in

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association with the crop circles and it

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was the first time that she had really

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room and she was pulling out all these

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pictures that that nobody had ever seen

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and telling this guy's story just some

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of the strangest stuff that you've ever

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pictures these weird images would would

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things like that it was just

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um it's a part of History you know kind

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of happen even though it's very few

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people know about it it's still very

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the 90s was George Wingfield

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uh he's a crop circle expert from

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England a retired engineer I believe and

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he would come in and present about the

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crop circles a lot of activity happening

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have him come and speak and we hear the

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latest and the greatest of what was

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um he came to the conference and

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like hey help us unload these pictures

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and so uh I go over and there was a guy

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with him that was uh you know older

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um had on kind of a dirty t-shirt you

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man but he was he looked like he would

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uh and that's probably exactly what he

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was doing it loaded the van they driven

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someplace and uh and they were unloading

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these big framed pictures of crop

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circles out of the back of the van so I

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helped him carry all of this in and and

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dozens and dozens of these pictures and

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the lecture hall and they were you know

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selling them or and also just letting

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people appreciate the the beauty of the

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crop circle pictures and so I'm Robin

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shoulders with this guy and we're

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hanging pictures up and and all this

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kind of stuff and so George Goes at one

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point he looks and he goes oh hey

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um John Forrest Forrest John and

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introduces me to this guy and that I've

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been working with helping him with the

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pictures well it turns out that the guy

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was John haddington

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lives in a castle in England he's the

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Earl of haddington okay he sits on

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Parliament all right he's real and

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interested in all of this paranormal

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stuff and it was a friend of George's

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you know from England very involved in

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the crop circle guys well I'd heard of

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him I'd never met the man and uh and

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here I am this was just a special

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experience for me you know here I am

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sweating with the guy hanging up crop

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circle pictures with him

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um just the nicest guy you'd ever want

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to know and and it was just a very cool

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experience too uh you know to meet him

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and that but that's the kind of things

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that you know that happen you know at

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um one special uh experience that I had

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at this conference was very early on I

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think it was 1990

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um and I was down here I had come down

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to the to the conference and met Tom

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director for mufon at the time I was the

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assistant state director

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and we met down here at the conference

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and was was hanging out

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and I think it might have been Linda

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somebody grabbed us

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and said listen you need to go talk to

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this guy over here

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um he's got some interesting things to

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say that correlate with what you guys

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and so Tom and I went over and we sat

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down we met this guy you I think he was

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um he was in the United States as it

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turns out he had fled

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um his country after his parents had

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been killed by the government

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and he had been out he had been in the

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United States staying with an uncle you

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know for the summer or something like

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that and uh while he was up here his

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parents were killed by the government

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and he had had alien encounters

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um for years and had a lot to say about

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um well this ended this started a a

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lengthy multi-year relationship

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um with this guy that uh involved he

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basically was a contactee

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and some of the weirdest stuff that I've

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experienced in the UFO field happened

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with that guy and it all started by just

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a random meeting of him down here he

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wasn't down here giving a presentation

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he just came down with

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um you know some friends

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and um and we got hooked up with this

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guy and researched his case for a number

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of years before he kind of moved on but

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very very strange

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um things happen including seeing UFOs

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images like overlaid you know over his

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body while we were interviewing him

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um physical phenomenon happening in the

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room

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um and and like even the UFO sighting

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that I referred to we were doing an

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interview session with him where he

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basically claimed the aliens were

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talking through him so we were asking

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questions

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when the session was over

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um he goes would you like to see them or

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like to see their craft and we went yeah

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he says we'll go outside right now

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they're they're up there in the sky and

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we were in in Downers Grove Chicago and

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we ran outside in the front yard at

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Tom's house and we looked up in the sky

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and there was a UFO right hovering above

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his head like thousands of feet up you

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know

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um and while we watched it it went and

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disappeared so that's that's the kind of

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things that uh

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um may happen at a conference like this

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you know you just have these happen

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chance meetings and then it it takes you

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down some wonderful path you know of

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yeah there's a lot more to that story

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but that's like a whole nother I mean

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I this is literally I mean I can tell I

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mean I don't care if you're recording

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this because this case is fairly well

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known but

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um the guy was probably a hybrid

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um because there were a couple of

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instances where we witnessed things like

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he had very strange physiology and he

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told us about it he has two Heartbeats

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um he can't go to the hospital because

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when he goes to the hospital and they

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examine him they freak out because his

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physiology is different

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and uh Tom uh Tom's dead now but before

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Tom died he actually this guy actually

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lived with Tom for

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I guess about eight or ten months and

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while we were doing this intense kind of

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investigation with him and um Tom saw

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him

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um he was shaving one morning and he cut

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it he cut himself shaving and what came

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out wasn't like a normal red blood it

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was like a pink foam

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and it wasn't shaving cream and blood it

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was you know he didn't have shaving

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cream on

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um it was like a pink foam and he cut

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himself and then another time Tom walked

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into the bathroom while he was the guy

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had he was Brazilian so he had that the

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dark hair and the complexion but he had

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like green eyes so yeah when you looked

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at him yeah there was that weirdness you

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knew that that wasn't his he had

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contacts in you know they colored his

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eyes

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so um Tom saw him one morning putting in

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one of his contacts and he had slit

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pupils his eyes looked like cat's eyes

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and he would cover them up with blue

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contacts or green contacts

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blue contacts anyway

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very strange man like

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like the night that we did this thing

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where he says he can channel the aliens

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basically because they they talk all the

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time like that he says but they can talk

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through me and if you like we can do it

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do a session and they'll answer your

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questions

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okay you know not not one to shy away

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from something strange

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we sat in Tom's living room and and uh

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we turned off all the lights he sat in

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the chair over here

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me and Tom's wife sat over here against

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the window and Tom and this other

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researcher who was a chip oil Chippewa

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Ojibwe woman

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from the bad River Indian Reservation

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Wisconsin was also doing the

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investigation she's the one that gave me

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the Native American name blue feather

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they were sitting over there

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Judy and I were looking at this guy

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and uh so he does this kind of little

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trance thing and he starts talking to us

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and shortly into the interview so we had

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asked questions and ain't answer them

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and um shortly into the interview we're

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looking at this guy now it's low light

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you can you can there was enough light

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in the ambient light where you could

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take notes

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okay but there were no lights on

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um so like you could see him over there

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but not you know I mean

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uh

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not clearly because it was kind of dark

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in the room

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um what ended up happening was this

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shimmering green

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glow started to appear over his face and

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upper torso

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and it was like it was as if you were

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shining this kind of

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pale like a weird pail almost like you

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know like a

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like the light stick kind of green you

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know

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um this pale green glow like you were

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projecting it over the top of him

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because you could see it was like

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another face projected over his face

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and you could even make out that there

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was like a uniform

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and and then so while I'm looking at

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this and I'd seen this another time it's

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a whole nother story I'd seen this

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another time with another contactee

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and I'm looking at this and he's

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answering the questions and then the

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faces started changing it was as if you

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were like changing slides the face would

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change and they were different beings

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and they all looked you know human

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but they're oh there's a female there's

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a different male there's you know and

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there were like um five different crew

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members

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that were like you could see their

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images just kind of flipping and

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changing as he was answering these

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questions

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and um

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so I'm I'm like Judy are you seeing this

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and she's like yeah and and uh so we're

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trying to we don't want to like break

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the mood we're trying to let you know

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Tom

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um and Sharon I think was This Woman's

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name trying to let them know

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um what we're seeing and we're kind of

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trying to Signal them you know and

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they're like and we didn't really get to

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confirm until afterwards and they were

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seeing it but they weren't they were

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looking at him sideways

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so what they were seeing was like a thin

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green

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light glowing in front of him so it

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literally it was like a projection that

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was coming from somewhere

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um and uh and then when the session was

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over he had he had actually told us

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ahead of time he says look this

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I need to I'll need to drink a lot of

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water after I do this it dehydrates me

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terribly and I what I want you to do is

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come up and feel my hair

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right now and so before we started we're

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all up rubbing his hair and his hair was

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greasy I mean you know it was one of

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those like dude and uh and so then we

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did the session for about 45 minutes and

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the session ended and uh he says we'll

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come up and feel my hair and then we

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kind of came out of it he goes come up

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and feel my hair his hair was dry as

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straw I mean it was like

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just sitting there 45 minutes there was

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no air blowing on this guy dry oil gone

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it was like oh man you know you need to

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put something in your hair

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and that's why we're sitting there

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feeling his hair and he goes hey they

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asked me if you guys want to see The

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Craft

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and we're like yeah and he goes okay

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we'll go outside right now and so we all

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like little children ran out in the

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front yard to look up and we're like

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there's an extra star I was like Orion

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was right there there was a fourth star

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you're like here's the belt and then

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there's this bright

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um you know bluish White Star right

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there and uh and we're going that's not

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supposed to be there and then it goes

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like that and disappears

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well this year being the 29th year of

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the conference this is probably the best

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list of speakers that that we've ever

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had even though there were always great

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speakers here you kind of end up having

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like one headliner

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um or maybe two and then you have some

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new researchers or people who don't um

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speak that often and so there was always

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a blend of that but this particular year

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I think the speaking list is the

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strongest that it's ever been I mean

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we've got like four people on the docket

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that could be Headliners at any

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conference in the world and they're all

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here the same weekend

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um so it's just uh I don't think

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anybody's going to be able to to walk

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away and say that this wasn't like maybe

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the best conference they've ever been to

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seriously it's Whitley streber here

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um responsible for publishing the book

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communion which changed tens of

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thousands of people's lives just because

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the picture on the cover he uh you know

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solely responsible for bringing

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abduction Research into the mainstream

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media and opening people up to it and

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his experiences are ongoing and

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extraordinary he's he's one of the

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speakers

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um uh Jim Mars as New York Times

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best-selling author many times over was

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it wrote the book that was made into the

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movie JFK I mean just you know the these

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fantastic backgrounds one of the best

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um conspiracy researchers you know in

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the business just a fantastic uh you

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know guy

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um Eric Von donaghan

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um this guy literally is he's he is the

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ancient astronaut guy there's you know

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um he is he is the shoulders on on which

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all other ancient astronaut researchers

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have to stand he started the whole thing

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and in my experience with him the first

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book that he wrote was Chariots of the

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Gods it was the first book on UFOs or

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aliens that I ever read back in like

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1968 or I guess actually I guess it was

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about

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1970 1971.

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um it started the whole thing for me I

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you know I just ate through that book

530
00:20:30,650 --> 00:20:28,559
you know like it like it was food it was

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just fantastic and it just you know

532
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sparked Me On by the time I was 13 years

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old I had 200 books on the subject and

534
00:20:42,970 --> 00:20:39,539
it all started with that guy and the

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questions that he asked and pointed out

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to the whole world

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um that we probably got our ancient

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history wrong

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um he's here to talk I mean just you

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know

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um he speaks all over the world at

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universities just a fantastic uh person

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um Linda Moulton Howe of course I you

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know it's one of those like she's been

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here every year

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I you don't even know where to start

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talking about her just uh just this

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incredible journalistic background

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um you know professional speaker

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investigator just tenacious researcher

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going from one unexplainable topic to

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the next and and and bringing it to you

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know the world to uh understand another

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one of the the the the the speaker that

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opened the conference this year and won

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the award for the Lou Farish

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Lifetime Achievement Award and ufology's

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Dave marlar and he's

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one of these guys he's a very dear

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friend of mine and he's probably the

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best field investigator or researcher

562
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I've ever worked with personally just

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00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:51,539
meticulous detailed drives for the truth

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and the facts and he's

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um really just kind of coming of age as

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a as a researcher getting the respect

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and the attention that he deserves

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and um is an expert has become in a very

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00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,460
short time an expert on triangle UFOs

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uh

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so you know even

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you know even even with uh

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um David not being a world you know

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renowned speaker

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um that's just a matter of time you know

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so it's

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uh this year is going to be

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probably the best year ever yes one of

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the other speakers this year is Nick

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Pope and

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um he's he's a he's a very you know nice

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kind of understated uh guy basically a

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British gentleman and uh

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his claim to fame is probably greater

585
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than most people in the business really

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and that is that he you know for over 20

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years he worked for the um Ministry of

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Defense in Britain as the guy dealing

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with their UFO reports so he he

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literally is the the fox Mulder of

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England

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and so you

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he was as inside really as you can

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possibly get you know short of you know

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you know being in the underground

596
00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:13,080
bunkers working on the crazy stuff maybe

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00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,240
but you know seeing all of this and

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dealing with it in in real time and now

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00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:20,760
being able to publicly speak about it

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and to write about it and uh just a very

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very polished professional speaker with

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00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:28,679
tons of knowledge you know

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a great speaker to have on the on the

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docket well if you've never been to a

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00:23:37,549 --> 00:23:35,940
UFO conference before let's say and

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you're trying to decide

607
00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:40,740
which one to go to to kind of jump into

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00:23:45,289 --> 00:23:42,840
the science and learn about it there are

609
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,299
a few that I would highly recommend this

610
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,520
is one of them this has always been my

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00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:49,679
favorite Conference of of all of the

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ones that I've attended or presented at

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00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,500
over the years

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there's something special about this

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00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:57,299
conference part of it was because of the

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the genuine nature that Lou Ferris

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brought to this conference the just the

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00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,760
way he his intent was to put the best

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speakers and the newest speakers that he

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00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:10,380
could he wasn't worried about making a

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00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:12,600
lot of money off of it basically if one

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00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,539
year paid for the next that was fine and

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00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:18,000
it was just he devoted his

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00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:20,940
his life to this conference and to this

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00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:23,700
subject and to to create a platform

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where people could come together and

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00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:27,179
share their research and their

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00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:28,200
information

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now it's situated in you know Eureka

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Springs Arkansas which is not near any

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00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,780
major cities or hubs in the world so

632
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:38,159
you'd think well if you really wanted a

633
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,440
successful UFO conference put it in your

634
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:43,440
big city okay but he lived nearby here

635
00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:46,860
he didn't want to do that and Eureka

636
00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:50,039
Springs is just this fantastic like

637
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,059
artistic creative spiritual place in the

638
00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:55,679
middle of the Ozark Mountains it's just

639
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,179
gorgeous you put those two things

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together and you have a magical

641
00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:01,980
experience not only are you getting a

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00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,340
high quality conference and information

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00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:07,200
but then you have this this just idyllic

644
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,700
setting and it not there's no other

645
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:10,080
conference out there like it there just

646
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,600
really isn't so this would be the

647
00:25:15,289 --> 00:25:13,919
conference I would recommend that you

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00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,299
come to First

649
00:25:18,610 --> 00:25:17,039
and you'll get hooked and you'll come

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00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:18,620
back every year like many many people

651
00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:20,520
there were

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up until

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the the crowd that was here if you ask

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00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:32,580
people for a show of hands of who had

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00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:34,200
been here for one year two year three

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00:25:37,330 --> 00:25:35,340
year

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00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:37,340
you would find out that there were about

658
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:40,380
two to three hundred people that came

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every year for 10 years 12 years

660
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:47,880
um and that's a good thing if you think

661
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:50,520
about it like uh devoted to this

662
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,620
conference just love the conference and

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00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,480
I would come down every year wouldn't

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00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:57,600
miss it would Reserve their hotel room

665
00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:00,120
before they left the conference for the

666
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:02,460
next year kind of thing

667
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:04,140
um what is good about what is happening

668
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:06,840
now is the tables have almost completely

669
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:09,600
turned where we have only maybe about 10

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00:26:15,230 --> 00:26:12,539
percent of repeats or or I should say

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00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:15,240
people who were amongst that original

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00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:18,600
family I guess uh and now the conference

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00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:21,000
is filled with all almost all new people

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00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:23,340
which is fantastic so I think that

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00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,340
speaks to The Testament of

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um what the conference is really all

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00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:30,840
about and that it is

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00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,419
kept going to the point where now we

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00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:35,279
have a whole new generation of people

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00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:37,260
coming to the conference which is